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baby fainting after crying

i'm asking for a friend of mine who has a son that's 7 months old. recently, her DS has fainted whenever he cries really badly. it's happened three times already, the third being today. basically what happens is he gets a booboo (ie. sister bites him or falls down and bumps his lip; something that seriously hurts him) that hurts like a bugger which makes him cry so badly that he does one of those silent cries, goes all blue and passes out without a sound. all three times, my friend or her MIL had to blow into his nose to revive him. since he's been having these fainting spells more recently, she's freakin' out about it. she's asked a local ped about it, but he just says that it might just be the baby's temperament. as far as i know, he's a very well tempered baby. he doesn't cry much and is usually pretty content. i've tried googling it, but it hasn't given me the answers i need... anyone else got any ideas? thanks in advanced! :)


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Aug. 26th, 2009 12:45 pm (UTC)
Does he hold his breath? A lot of little kids do that when upset. It's freaky, but mostly harmless - as soon as they pass out their autonomic systems kick in and they start breathing normally again, and then they wake up.
Aug. 26th, 2009 12:48 pm (UTC)
my friend never mentioned it, so i'm not sure. i just know that he cries so card that it's like he can't get his breath back. :(
Aug. 26th, 2009 11:58 pm (UTC)
I do something similar when crying or even laughing too hard. Though as an adult I am able to realize Crap! I am not breathing! and find a way to calm down and get the oxygen in me before I pass out.

I don't know if there would be any way to help a baby get the point before fainting though.
Aug. 26th, 2009 12:51 pm (UTC)
this is what I was thinking.
Aug. 26th, 2009 12:56 pm (UTC)
But he's not breathing normally after he passes out, OP said my friend or her MIL had to blow into his nose to revive him.

Having to revive a 7 month old more than once after they turn blue I think should be a little more cause for alarm, but maybe that's just me?
Aug. 26th, 2009 01:53 pm (UTC)
Turning blue is the normal consequence of not breathing. And while the friend or her MIL may blow in the kiddo's nose to revive him (which doesn't mean he's not breathing, btw, just that he hasn't regained consciousness yet) that doesn't mean they *have* to - they may simply think they have to.
Aug. 26th, 2009 03:28 pm (UTC)
I seriously doubt she has to "revive" him, personally. And if they do, they should have in him the ER/at the doctors for an immediate workup. Don't you think if it was that serious the parent would have taken the kiddo to the doctors immediately? Nevermind, this is LJ. ;)

The body shuts down certain functions to allow it to take care of breathing when there isn't enough oxygen getting into his body. I think they just think they need to revive him, but don't actually need to.
Aug. 26th, 2009 03:38 pm (UTC)
Don't you think if it was that serious the parent would have taken the kiddo to the doctors immediately? Nevermind, this is LJ. ;)

In fairness, I gave up trusting people here to have good sense (that's in the general, not the specific) after the woman posted asking if she should take her obviously concussed child to the ER. That was about a week after the woman whose kid fell of Daddy's shoulders onto a tile floor came by to ask the same thing. D'oh!
Aug. 26th, 2009 03:54 pm (UTC)
I missed those, but I've been avoiding this place unless I have something nice to say. ;) That is just ridiculous!
Aug. 26th, 2009 05:43 pm (UTC)
It was a year ago or so, but they *really* stick in my memory!
Aug. 26th, 2009 05:44 pm (UTC)
Oh gosh, some things do, huh? Remember the Marineland or something one where the parents punished their toddler by making him/her stay in the carseat in the car? Yikes.
Aug. 26th, 2009 02:42 pm (UTC)
pretty much what I was going to say :)
Passing out is your body's way of saying okay I've had enough, we need to breathe.

If they'd like to try to avoid him passing out, they can try blowing in his face before he passes out. I'm not sure if it works but my SIL used to do that with hers if they were doing that silent cry where they held their breath.
Aug. 26th, 2009 12:50 pm (UTC)
Her ped didn't see an issue with that? I would be more than a little alarmed, especially if he's done it more than once. Especially more so if they have to 'revive' him afterwards. That's not normal, imo. I would take him to the hospital or another doctor.
Aug. 26th, 2009 12:57 pm (UTC)
My son used to stop breathing when really upset. He would start to turn blue and I would breathe in his nose & mouth. This always made him start breathing again. I never let it get to the point of him passing out. I asked my pediatrician and he said some kids do that and that they should start breathing again after passing out. If the child does not start breathing on his own then I would seek a second opinion.
Also, I let everyone know that spent time with him. So his babysitter knew, my family, friends etc. so if he got hurt they were to watch for his lips to turn blue, if they did they were instructed to breathe in his nose/mouth.
He's 4 now, and hasn't done the stop breathing thing in a long time so I'm assuming he grew out of it.
Aug. 26th, 2009 01:21 pm (UTC)
That sounds like narcolepsy... that's what I'd think if it was an older child or adult doing that anyway. She needs to take the kid to the doctor and get a proper dianosis.
Aug. 26th, 2009 02:02 pm (UTC)
Narcolepsy doesn't happen only when you cry though.
Aug. 26th, 2009 01:36 pm (UTC)
my godson used to do this when he was upset as an infant/toddler. he'd cry hard, pant, do the silent cry and then hold his breath 'til he passed out. he'd still be breathing though. the first couple of times his mom flipped and tried cpr 'cause he wasn't moving and the ped said just to let him sleep it off or rouse him gently (no forcing air into his nose, shaking him, screaming). he also said, like one of the posters above, that it was just his temperament/coping mechanism and that he'd grow out of it... which he did (at about 4).
Aug. 26th, 2009 04:00 pm (UTC)

Like you would an adult when they pass out, you gently bring them out of it.
Aug. 26th, 2009 05:49 pm (UTC)
This. We had a foster child that would do this as the grand finale of his temper tantrums. He grew out of it.
Aug. 26th, 2009 01:42 pm (UTC)
My husband's cousin's baby did that years ago (cried out so hard she didn't breath in, passed out, and then started breathing again), and I remember their doctor saying it was "normal" too. I'd be freaked the heck out, but their child is a health four year old now.
Aug. 26th, 2009 01:58 pm (UTC)
This happened 2x with my daughter when she was a toddler. My mom said that it happened to me, too, when I was little. In our cases, it was within the range of normal -- we'd just cry so hard we wouldn't breathe in soon enough. Just keep the ped informed when it happens.
Aug. 26th, 2009 02:06 pm (UTC)
My youngest would do this before he was a year old. He would bump into something and chaos ensued. He would turn blue because he had sucked in a breath and was doing his hold it/silent cry.
You wouldn't believe how many times I freaked out over this. I spoke with my doctor at length and she informed me it was nothing serious and to blow in his face when he did it. Well, it didn't help because he would get more upset - but I learned to deal with it. I would talk calmly to him, rub his back, etc. to get him to breath. Most of the time, he ended up finally screaming and then would take a nap because he got himself too tired.

Have her discuss it again with the doctor, keep the doctor informed about how it is going.
Aug. 26th, 2009 02:22 pm (UTC)
I've known quite a few babies that did this. My nephew and my little cousin did it! You have to try blowing in his face before he passes out...usually that will shock them into breathing again. He'll grow out of it eventually. My nephew has long stopped doing it...he probably hasn't done it since he was 2. My little cousin just did it this past summer at 3 years old, so who knows when she'll grow out of it.
Aug. 26th, 2009 03:22 pm (UTC)
This happens to my FIL when he laughs really hard. He just passes out because he's not getting enough oxygen. He passes out only for a very short period and then regains consciousness and carries on laughing.

He's being worked up at the moment for it. There are questions if his weight is related to it (he's a bit bigger but not huge) because his big belly is pushing on his diaphram, but he doesn't have a diagnosis for this yet. There is question as to whether or not its related to his sleep apnea too though.

If he has to be revived, get him to the doctor immediately for a proper, non-LiveJournal MD given, diagnosis. Passing out is just a body's way of saying, "Okay, I've had enough. I need to breath again." so it shuts down a bunch of other functions (consciousness, motor skills, etc) so it can concentrate on breathing. So if they don't *have* to blow in his face, I wouldn't be nearly as worried about it and try to keep him from getting that upset in the first place (especially if he's only seven months old).
Aug. 26th, 2009 03:51 pm (UTC)
This is exactly what happens to me. It's rare now, because my family now knows just how much it terrifies me, but for years they thought it was hilarious to make me laugh so hard I passed out. It wasn't until I was about 25 that I finally marched into my doctor's office and begged her to give me something to tell them so they'd stop, because walking away doesn't work when you're in a moving car and they start.

She did end up connecting it with both my weight and my sleep apnea and gave me a strongly worded 'doctor's note' to get them to leave me alone. I love my doc. She gets that my family are asses.

Anyway, sorry for the novel!
Aug. 26th, 2009 03:58 pm (UTC)
Well, I'm sorry to hear that you have the same sort of issue, but I'm happy to hear that my FIL isn't just a rarity. ;) This whole comment is pretty reassuring to us... so thank you! :)
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