Today's question on my mind is: How do you teach your child financial responsibility?
My parents controlled all of my money growing up, they took all my Lunar New Year lucky money, birthday money etc, and gave me money to buy things as I needed. I can see now that they were very careful spenders and savers, frugal in all the right places, but I never saw any of that, because they always bought what I wanted whenever I wanted it, and when we went on holidays (overseas every three years, more locally in between), money was never an object.
It wasn't until I started university that my parents left me to finally open a bank account on my own, get a job, etc, leaving me to pay for everything, (including a hefty weekly room+board to them) unless I specifically asked for money, which they would hand over with a lecture/guilt trip. They bailed me out of my credit card debt at 19. I haven't had a credit card since, I'm so terrified of them now, at 30.
I feel like I'm terrible with money now, and still in the back of my head I know if anything goes wrong I can just ask my parents to bail me out. I do my best to live within our means though, and we haven't had a debt that wasn't mortgage debt for a very long time.
I think it comes down to the fact that my parents didn't want us kids to know that we weren't very well off and that they wanted us to have the best of everything. My parents were uneducated immigrants, I'm sure we would have understood, but my mum bawled her eyes out when she worked out she couldn't send my little brother to a $17k a year private school. My parents also are huge on keeping up with the Joneses, so even if we were being punished by having various electronics confiscated, they would often buy us the latest gadget because so-and-so had one.
I *love* buying things for my 2yo son and seeing him happy. I'm not even good at buying things for his birthday and actually saving them until the actual day to open them with him. I don't know how I'm ever going to say no to things!
I've opened him a bank account today though, and put in all his birthday money etc. I'm probably likely to give him an allowance, and try and tell him when he's older, that he can only buy toys etc with his allowance. What else do you do? Do you let your kids see you saving up for stuff? I remember my dad telling my little brother at age 4 that he had no money for the big Batman tent/car/toy that he wanted, and my brother telling him to go to the ATM and get some then! (Dad bought him the toy the next day. My brother didn't even make a fuss when we didn't buy it on the day, shows you what my Dad was like)
Okay, sorry for the rambly essay, I really should try and get some sleep.
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When I was little, I did get a chore-based allowance, and whenever I wanted to buy something, I had to save double, because they required me to match the toy amount with money to put in the bank in order to make the purchase. However, they did often purchase things for me, including clothes and toys. I remember as a tween/teen my sister and I would go shopping and put a bunch of stuff on hold and we'd ask my dad to stop by the mall on his way home to buy it. He usually would :-P
I did have a period of time in college where I was making decent money and was a pretty frivolous spender, and I wish now that my parents had stressed the importance of saving earlier, so maybe I would've focused on putting some of that money away.
I think the best way to teach your kid about money is to talk to them about money. As they get older, explain how credit cards work, how credit works, and why saving is important. I remember the first time I spent a significant amount on a credit card (on a MacBook) and calculated how much I had actually paid for it after interest. I was shocked! Haven't put any large purchases on it since, unless I could pay them off right away.
When they're young, buy them what they need, but don't just buy them things they want all the time. Use you gifts as rewards (for behavior) instead of as random just-because.
to answer your question, I think that my parents own bad examples in life were enough to teach me frugality and living within my means. That story aside, my parents were constantly either in debt or declaring bankruptcy and every time they had a spare dollar they would want to go out and spend it and it was distressing because we, as children, knew that they couldn't afford this lavish trip to target and we were up nights scared because of the stress of my step dad maybe losing ANOTHER job, or my mom quitting her job to take care and home school us kids and maybe we wouldn't even have a Christmas tree this year, and the car broke down again. etc etc.
My kids are young we are more at teaching them that just because something is advertised on TV doesn't mean you need it.
My daughter is only 3 now, but when she starts "getting" money (she is just starting to get an interest, so probably around 4) she will get an allowance to learn to manage money. In the beginning, she will be expected to donate a %, save a % for future education, about a third for saving for a set goal, and will be allowed to do as she wishes with the remainder. She will be expected to split up gift money the same way. This is a habit I hope to instill in her while she is young.
My husband is ridiculously responsible with money. I'm not. I'm not bad with it - I haven't had a credit card balance in over a decade, I have no problem with budgeting to meet our needs - but when it comes to "fun money" (gifts or other unexpected windfalls) my first impulse is to spend while his is to save. Hopefully we can convince the kids that his methods are better. ;)
When he's able to understand a bit more and do a bit more, we'll increase the allowance to a more usable amount.
I am frank about money when he asks. Sometimes I say "no, that costs too much money". Or simply "no, we won't buy that because it's not a good price". Whatever we have or don't have, I want to pass on the idea of value. I don't know if it's sinking in - I remember him saying at the grocery store "eight dollars is not a lot of money, mama" and while it's true that it's not, eight dollars a pound for dark cherries off season is not a good VALUE. That's a hard concept to get through to a 4 y/o but we're trying.
I think talking about money, showing her our budget, working out with her saving, spending, giving, those are all great. But I think more than anything taking advantage of these small opportunities where she can put that into play. It's not just Woo hoo! $20 in birthday money! Let's go to the toy store! But the experience of seeing how careful budgeting, being conscious of what she's spending money on (bottle of water vs water fountain) can benefit her in the end. But she's 9. She could still end up being rotten with money when she's older. :)
We found that giving them money before they were 6 or 7ish in an attempt to teach them about money just ended up with them bringing crap into our homes that we wouldn't have bought otherwise. (I earned $3, let's go to the dollar store!!!) As they got older, it got easier and they save 10% of their allowance, donate 10% of their allowance and can spend the rest...or save it, or donate it or whatever.
Anyhow, I think we may have finally made a breakthrough the other day. I bought my son (he's 12) some shirts that he needed and he tried them on to see if they fit. I said "Do you like these? Are you going to wear them? Because if not, I'm going to take them back and get my money back because I had to work an hour for each of those shirts." I think it was the first time he put the idea of work = things together, even though we've done a chore based allowance for quite a while.
I let my kids keep their birthday/Christmas money, but I put it in an envelope with a "deposit slip" and keep it out of their reach. (My kids are 5 and 8). I write down when they put money into the envelope, let them look at their slip, and when they want something, we count to see if they have enough, then take out the money and deduct it from their slip. My 8 year old is getting a pretty good idea of what things cost a lot and what things she can usually afford (my dad sends them $10 for every holiday, like Halloween and Valentine's day, so they usually have something to spend). My 5 year old doesn't get it yet, but she DOES know if she spends $5 on a small toy, it'll take much longer to be able to buy a big toy she is saving for. Right now she wants an alligator hand puppet that is about $25. She was up to $14 and then spent $5 on a toy, and now I keep reminding her everytime she asks to spend that last $9, "you CAN, but then you won't be as close to buying the alligator." She usually decides against spending in favor of saving, but when she decides to spend it, I usually let her. I do reserve the right to say no if she just bought something, if I don't WANT them to have that thing, if they haven't been well-behaved and I don't want them to get something new at the moment, etc.
I was pretty proud of her in that back in April, when she had just turned 5, she saw a stuffed sealion at the aquarium that she wanted BADLY. I told her the price, we counted her money at home, and she didn't have enough. She did chores and didn't buy a few little things she wanted until she had enough. Then my mom took her to the aquarium and my daughter was able to buy it with her own money. She was very very pleased and I was proud of her saving ability. It only took 2 months for her to save up, but that's a LONG time when you're 5.
TL;DR: I think it's important to give kids the CHOICE to save or spend, but it's also your job to remind them when they don't have the money because they spent it on something else, and to help remind them of something they might be saving for when faced with an impulse buy. If you remove their ability to make their own choice (within reason), you are not letting them realize what true financial responsibility is, including the potentially negative consequences.
I fully agree with you about the choice to save or spend and living with the choices/consequences, good or bad. They learn from those choices the best.
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